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Let's Talk About It

| with Rev. Dr. Thomas Shepherd | Fridays at 4 p.m. CT
Let's Talk About It

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Let’s Talk about It with the Rev. Dr. Thomas Shepherd rediscovers Unity co-founder Charles Fillmore’s zeal for new ideas – especially Mr. Fillmore’s insistence that Unity students think for themselves and prove Unity principles in everyday living. Join Dr. Tom and his wide variety of guests as they dive into the deep waters of postmodern ethics, current events, political and social issues, the new sciences and new theological insights, mysticism, world religions and a fresh look at biblical studies – no subject is off limits. Don’t be surprised to hear from priests, ministers, rabbis, Buddhist monks or the occasional Wiccan priestess. Let’s Talk about It is your window to a new world of possibilities in contemporary theology, religious insight and social action through ecumenical and interfaith dialogue. And if you know Dr. Tom, you know there will be some delicious controversies and edgy new ideas.

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  • Episode: Jesus for Postmodern Skeptics, Part 1
    Original air date: Friday, March 05, 2010
    Episode Description:
    March is Jesus month on Let's Talk About It. If a team of visiting scholars from another planet decided to look into the central figure in Christianity, they would quickly discover a baffling array of Jesuses offered by a bewildering marketplace of “Christian” groups. They might conclude there is no central organizing principle which unites the disparate Jesus images after finding the suffering, redeeming Jesus of Roman Catholicism beside the sin-busting Jesus of American fundamentalism and the mystical Jesus of Quaker spirituality, the status-quo-shaking Jesus of feminist theology, the patriotic-triumphant Jesus of Mormonism and a suburban Protestant Jesus, as well as the provocative Jesus of New Testament scholarship and the prophetic Jesus of black liberation theology. There was only one historic Jesus. But none of our Jesus models have ever coincided, not even during his earthly ministry. In March, Dr. Shepherd will introduce new ideas about Christology from his upcoming book as his distinguished panel searches for ideas about Jesus that make sense to a postmodern world.
  • Episode: Lenten Lessons From the Dalai Lama
    Original air date: Friday, February 26, 2010
    Episode Description:
    His Holiness Tenzin Gyatso,the great spiritual leader of Tibetan Buddhism, is known worldwide simply as the Dalai Lama. He has written a grand summation of the most important things in life, which includes these words: “Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon.” Buddhism generally understands love as compassion for all sentient beings and, paradoxically, detachment from desire itself. Christian love is about forgiveness and altruism; there is a self-sacrificial tone to the love of God in Jesus Christ. Yet there is much that Buddhists and Christians share in common. Compassion, kindness, and selflessness. This week Dr. Shepherd looks at what Christians can learn from their Buddhist counterparts as his panel of distinguished guests discusses 19 “Lenten Lessons From the Dalai Lama.”
  • Episode: God Loves Laughter
    Original air date: Friday, February 19, 2010
    Episode Description:
    What’s your favorite religious joke? (Hopefully, it’s something you could repeat from the pulpit on a Sunday morning!) What is the nature of humor, and what places in the Bible is it found? Does God have a sense of humor, or is there too much tragedy in the world for that question not to be offensive? Can we laugh in the face of disaster without seeming airy-faerie or disconnected with reality? This week Dr. Shepherd’s panel will tell some good ones and discuss the nature of humor as a spiritual discipline.
  • Episode: Four Types of Love
    Original air date: Friday, February 12, 2010
    Episode Description:
    Love isn’t the same as eternal romance, like Hollywood pretends. But another point is that love comes in more than one variety. The answer to “What is love?” depends on the context. We don’t love our children the same way we love our country. We certainly don’t love friends and neighbors the same way we love husbands and wives, unless we’re behaving like characters in a tawdry novel. What about that obnoxious so-and-so at work? How about friends and family who have been cruel? How can we “love” people who are prejudiced against us, or members of a group which stands against everything we cherish? When Jesus said, “Love your enemies,” how far did he intend for that command to stretch? Some would say infinitely. Yet would Jesus insist that Jewish Holocaust survivors or freed slaves after the American Civil War were ethically required to love their persecutors? The question is not as clear as a first glimpse might suggest. This week Dr. Shepherd’s panel will consider the four types of love suggested by four biblical era words: hesed, philia, eros and agape. Tune in and be better equipped for Valentine’s Day!
  • Episode: New Resolutions Require New Lenses
    Original air date: Friday, February 05, 2010
    Episode Description:
    Have you made New Year’s resolutions in previous years but the changes you looked for never came into focus? Maybe you need a new set of lenses! Dr. Shepherd’s panel will explore some important concepts that shape the lenses through which people look at their lives: worldview, embedded theology, ethnocentrism and the zeitgeist. Charles Fillmore called for a similar assessment when he spoke of the need to reform our human race consciousness. “Love and justice are mighty powers, and all things must eventually come under their influence, because even a few men and women of right motive can, by right thinking and consequent just action, introduce these ideas into the race consciousness and pave the way for their universal adoption.” (Prosperity, p.150) This is Internet radio, but we’re certain you’ll see better after hearing LTAI this week.
  • Episode: It's All Good—Or Is It? A Postmodern Understanding of One Presence/One Power
    Original air date: Friday, January 29, 2010
    Episode Description:
    Young people today have a saying when facing a problem: “It’s all good.” This Zen-like response to life’s exigencies can reflect either optimism or fatalism, depending on the theology of the speaker. But can we truly say “It’s all good” when an earthquake devastates the nation of Haiti or a person we love is diagnosed with a terminal disease? How do we square a belief in God as One Presence/One Power, Omnipotent Good, with a world in which suffering is the daily lot of millions? This week, Dr. Shepherd’s Let’s Talk About It panel will address this most ancient of all religious questions.
  • Episode: The Avatar Connection: Good Movies With a Spiritual Theme
    Original air date: Friday, January 22, 2010
    Episode Description:
    Have you seen the eight-foot tall, Druid-blue aliens who sound like hybrid clones made from DNA donated by Al Gore, Jet Li and Deepak Chopra? Without giving the whole plot away—in case you are one of half-dozen Unity people on the planet who hasn't seen Avatar yet—this week Dr. Shepherd and his panel of distinguished guests will take a look at good movies with a spiritual theme, especially the new 3-D blockbuster sci-fi epic. Avatar raises ecological issues about the conflict between industrial economies and simpler societies. The film also looks seriously at theological anthropology (i.e., what is the real nature of personhood?), strongly suggests the scientific reality of omnipresent Spirit, and dramatizes the conflict of individual rights vs. societal needs. Avatar resists the temptation to simply picture people as good and evil, while raising the age-old problem of exploitation of the weak by the powerful. If you want to hear Unity scholars and thinkers review the Avatar phenomenon, you won’t want to miss this one.
  • Episode: The Dream Revisited: Race Relations in the Age of Obama
    Original air date: Friday, January 15, 2010
    Episode Description:
    “I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I have a dream today.” Those prophetic words were spoken almost five decades ago by a theologian, the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Although best known for his work in the civil rights and peace movements of mid-20th century America, which earned him the Nobel Prize and an assassin’s bullet, King was also a distinguished academic thinker who held a Ph.D. in systematic theology from Boston University. Today, King’s “I Have a Dream” speech is memorized by school children, invoked by preachers, and recited by politicians courting the African-American vote. Even though Americans have elected a black President of the United States, how far has Dr. King’s native land progressed toward achieving his lofty vision of a society which judges people by “the content of their character” and looks at the race and ethnicity as an asset rather than a liability? This week Dr. Shepherd’s distinguished guests—including former Kansas City Mayor Pro-Tem Alvin Brooks—will discuss “The Dream Revisited” and take a critical look at “Race Relations in the Age of Obama.”
  • Episode: New Angles on Angels
    Original air date: Friday, December 18, 2009
    Episode Description:
    Christmas carols echo with their choruses; cards and packages display their images; sacred scripture of Judaism, Christianity and Islam testify to their reality. But are there really, really such things as angels? No humbug intended, but have you ever seen one? Why is it that some otherwise rational people, who would never affirm the existence of demons, have no problem believing in angels? This week Dr. Shepherd’s distinguished panel will take a close look at angelology and try to answer these questions and get new angles on the angels on LTAI.
  • Episode: So Many Good Books, So Little time to Read …
    Original air date: Friday, December 11, 2009
    Episode Description:
    Wondering what to do with all your spare time this holiday season? (Right. Neither are we.) Here’s something you can always stop and start up again—read a book! Remember books? … The place you went for information before the Internet? With a book you have
  • Episode: Get Thee Behind Me, Recession—It’s Time for Christmas!
    Original air date: Friday, December 04, 2009
    Episode Description:
    Forget being in the Now, for now. Grab your diary and your wish book, and let’s talk good memories and secret hopes. And while you’re at it, look the pundits in the eye and shout, “Get thee behind me, Recession—it’s time for Christmas!” Not everything has to come in a velvet box or with a big price tag. Not every celebration has to be midnight mass at the cathedral. This week the Rev. Dr. Thomas Shepherd’s panel of distinguished guests will take a look at holiday celebrations and great gifts, past and future. Tune in to LTAI to hear great memories and creative ideas to make this the best holiday season ever.
  • Episode: Praise the Lord, Anyway! Giving Thanks in Adversity
    Original air date: Friday, November 27, 2009
    Episode Description:
    Psalm 137:4 asks "How can I sing the Lord's song in a foreign land?"  The spiritually mature person knows that life is under no obligation to be fair. But how, then, shall we respond when life's journey takes us down the valley of the shadow, away from joy to a "foreign land" of adversity? This week Rev. Rob Robinson, senior minister of Unity Village Chapel, joins Dr. Tom's panel of distinguished guests to discuss how it is possible, despite circumstances, to "Praise the Lord, anyway!"
  • Episode: Killing the killers: Shall we end capital punishment?
    Original air date: Friday, November 20, 2009
    Episode Description:
    Should justice be calibrated by principles of retribution, deterrence, social protection, correction, or rehabilitation? Every society establishes methods for dealing with citizens who murder innocent people or commit other heinous deeds, but many areas—such as the European Union—have abolished the death penalty. Shall the United States and other nations who still carry out capital punishment join them and end the practice of killing its killers? This week Dr. Thomas Shepherd’s panel of guests will discuss the ethical and theological implications of the ways in which societies respond to serious crime.
  • Episode: Is It a Sin to Be Poor? Arguments and Issues About the Prosperity Gospel
    Original air date: Friday, November 13, 2009
    Episode Description:
    In his book Prosperity, published during the Great Depression of the 1930s, Unity co-founder Charles Fillmore wrote: “We cannot be very happy if we are poor, and nobody needs to be poor. It is a sin to be poor.” Unity ministers have been defending that remark for more than seventy years. Today the “Prosperity Gospel” has gone mainstream. Televangelist Joel Osteen regularly assures his audiences that God wants them to be happy and prosperous. Yet, surprisingly, some of Rev. Osteen’s harshest critics are not members of the Religious Right but progressive theologians, liberal Christian thinkers who question the morality of asking for personal wealth in a world where so much hunger and economic oppression persists. This week the Rev. Dr. Robert Martin of Saint Paul School of Theology will join the Rev. Dr. Thomas Shepherd’s panel of distinguished guests to consider the controversial “Prosperity Gospel” in 21st century Christian thought.
  • Episode: Make a Joyful Noise: Music as Worship, Theology and Celebration
    Original air date: Friday, November 06, 2009
    Episode Description:
    Music is one of the oldest forms of religious celebration. Our hunter-gatherer ancestors danced around the fire at the end of the day, singing songs of the hunt and calling upon the Divine to bring success for tomorrow. Great compositions filled European cathedrals with majestic praise in musical form; serfs, slaves and tenant farmers sang of deliverance from bondage as they worked the fields. Yet sometimes in Church history music began to drift from the center of worship to become filler material that got you from one form of spoken word to the next. The Protestant church service has been uncharitably referred to as a “hymn sandwich” by modern reformers. Now there is a new wind stirring, bringing fresh music in the breeze. And not just among Metaphysical Christians—our friends in many other Protestant traditions are rediscovering the power of music as worship, and they are being joined in this melodious awakening by Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches and other communities as well. This week Rev. Dr. Thomas Shepherd and his panel of musically minded guests will discuss these new trends.
  • Episode: Do We Need a 'New Reformation," and What Will It Reform?
    Original air date: Friday, October 30, 2009
    Episode Description:
    October 31 provides more to celebrate than just Halloween. It also marks the anniversary of the day in 1517 when an obscure German priest and professor of theology named Martin Luther wrote a list of critical points about the doctrine of the Church and nailed it to the door (bulletin board) at the Castle Church of Wittenberg University. Luther’s Ninety-Five Theses were written in Latin and meant for scholarly discussion, but friends soon translated his arguments into German and other modern languages, and with the aid of the newly invented printing press, the work quickly circulated throughout Europe. Almost overnight the monkish scholar had become unwilling leader of a massive uprising to reform the Church. The Protestant Reformation shook the Christian world, and it is probably fair to say that other reform movements, like Unity, would not be here without that innocent act of scholarly inquiry by Doctor Luther. In our time, retired Episcopal Bishop John Shelby Spong has called for a “New Reformation” in Christian thought. Is he right? What needs to be reformed, and what will a new Christianity updated for the 21st century look like? Join Rev. Dr. Thomas Shepherd and his panel as they wrestle with questions about a New Reformation on Let’s talk About It.
  • Episode: Issues and Controversies in Spiritual Healing
    Original air date: Friday, October 23, 2009
    Episode Description:
    Spiritual healing has been a part of world religious traditions throughout history. The Hebrew Bible reports that Captain Naaman of Syria was cured of leprosy by Elisha the Prophet. Jesus essentially practiced a healing ministry everywhere he went. It is so central to the Gospels that one wonders if people came to the Sermon on the Mount primarily to hear him teach or to watch for a healing miracle or two. The Book of Acts says the apostles of Jesus also had healing gifts. Other religions describe similar gifts among the spiritually attuned. Muslim traditions record that Mohammed healed blindness and even a broken leg. The phenomenon cuts across the religious landscape—from Pentecostal healing services with “laying on of hands” to Roman Catholics making the pilgrimage to Lourdes for a miracle cure, many people still believe in the possibility of spiritual healing as an act of God in the physical world. Yet faith healing is not without its critics, and there have been notorious charlatans among those who minister to health-challenged believers. Join the Rev. Dr. Thomas Shepherd and his guests as they look at issues and controversies in spiritual healing.
  • Episode: Spiritual Practices That Work For Me
    Original air date: Friday, October 16, 2009
    Episode Description:
    Nature hiking on a golden autumn day or meditating in a candlelit cathedral; attending midnight mass or praying at dawn; vision questing, Sufi dancing, centering prayer, walking a labyrinth, lighting incense sticks, chanting psalms or resting in the Silence—there has been an explosion of knowledge about the array of spiritual practices available to 21st-century people. This week the Rev. Dr. Thomas Shepherd and a guest panel, representing several religious traditions, will discuss tips and techniques to discover peace and joy in a busy world.
  • Episode: Praying to the Ceiling: Is God 'Out There' or Only Found Within?
    Original air date: Friday, October 09, 2009
    Episode Description:
    Tune in for potentially the most controversial program yet! Is God to be found exclusively within, or can someone look to the night sky and pray to a God “out there” with equal effect? What about prayer for others—if God is only within us, what good does it do to offer prayer for someone else’s healing, help or encouragement? When we talk to God, are we really talking to ourselves? And if we are talking to ourselves, how far is that idea from the claims of philosophical atheists like Christopher Hitchens, (whose latest book is entitled God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything)? Guests will include the Rev. Dr. Paul Hasselbeck, dean of Unity’s Spiritual Education and Enrichment program, and KartaPurkh Khalsa—who is a senior member of the Sikh religious community of Kansas City. Join Rev. Dr. Shepherd and his panel as they discuss a workable theology of prayer in this postmodern world.
  • Episode: The World Is Ending Again: This Time in 2012 ...
    Original air date: Friday, October 02, 2009
    Episode Description:
    Every generation since the ink first dried on the first copy of the Book of Revelation has believed they were living in the end times. Doomsday and/or the coming of the Kingdom of God has been predicted over 220 times just since the beginning of the Common Era. Now a new crop of end-is-near authors are making large claims—and large profits in book sales—about the new doomsday date in December 2012 when the Mayan calendar completes its cycle. Although New Age literature rhapsodizes about the coming transformation, legitimate scholars like Sandra Noble, executive director of a Mesoamerican research organization, have called the portrayal of December 2012 as a doomsday or cosmic-shift event “a complete fabrication and a chance for a lot of people to cash in.” This week Dr. Shepherd’s panel includes Mesoamerican and Unity biblical scholars as they consider the phenomenon of doomsday in the history and consciousness of humanity.
  • Episode: Science and Religion: An Evolving Dialogue
    Original air date: Friday, September 25, 2009
    Episode Description:
    Science and religion have tried to answer the same question over the ages—what is going on out there in the universe, and how does it relate to me and my world? In earlier times, religious explanations have filled in the gap where human knowledge ended. The gods rolled up the night sky and peppered it with stars, then unfurled the day and rode their fiery chariot across the heavens to warm the earth. Sometimes great religious scholars led the way as science leaned more about our cosmos, and other times the church fought back against new knowledge as a threat to its established doctrines. Today religion and science continue dancing in the dark, sometimes as allies, sometimes as enemies. This week Rev. Dr. Thomas Shepherd and his panel of distinguished guests will consider the theme for the upcoming Lyceum 2009 academic conference at Unity Institute®, “Science and Religion: An Evolving Dialogue.”
  • Episode: Making Good Relationships Better
    Original air date: Friday, September 18, 2009
    Episode Description:
    Rev. Dr. Thomas Shepherd recalls how he became interested in this topic: "Early in my career as a military chaplain and pastoral counselor, I noticed that the couples who came to see me were usually in troubled relationships already. So, instead of continuing to function strictly as a spiritual emergency room for traumatized partners, I joined the growing number of ministers who practice preventive ministry among healthy couples. Working with chaplains from all sorts of denominations, I sponsored marriage enrichment retreats, taught ‘fair fighting’ techniques, and put together couples’ support groups. I quickly discovered that people were eager to improve their interactions with significant others before the post-nuptial love boat headed for the rocks. That’s what this week’s program is about "making good relationships better."
  • Episode: Report Card: Islam and Christianity, Eight Years after 9-11
    Original air date: Friday, September 11, 2009
    Episode Description:
    Eight years have passed since the savage attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and yet the radical Islamists are still angry, terrorists are still plotting, and U.S. troops
  • Episode: What Good Is the Church to a Postmodern World?
    Original air date: Friday, September 04, 2009
    Episode Description:
    Are you “spiritual, not religious”? Does this trendy new phrase really mean anything, other than a declaration that someone is not a participating member of a church, mosque or synagogue? How should people who are practicing members of a faith community respond to the challenge of the nonobservant among us? The Rev. Dr. Thomas Shepherd’s guests will ask [and answer] the hard question, “What good is the church in a postmodern world?”
  • Episode: Is Health Care a Fundamental Right or a Personal Responsibility?
    Original air date: Friday, August 28, 2009
    Episode Description:
    Senator Ted Kennedy, who himself suffers from a brain tumor, has repeatedly called for Congress to recognize that health care is a fundamental right rather than a privilege. But what about those who hold that it isn’t a right but a personal responsibility? The Rev. Dr. Thomas Shepherd’s guests will wade into the ethical, political and theological implications of universal health care.
  • Episode: Journey to a Postracial America: Are We There Yet?
    Original air date: Friday, August 21, 2009
    Episode Description:
    With the recent flap over President Barack Obama’s comments in the aftermath of the arrest of Harvard Professor Henry Louis Gates, people are once again asking questions about racial equality in the United States. What are the religious, ethical and moral issues of race relations, and will we ever achieve true equality? The Rev. Dr. Thomas Shepherd’s guests will wrestle with the social, political and theological implications of America’s status as a multiracial, multicultural society.

Host Bio

Rev. Dr. Thomas Shepherd
The Rev. Dr. Thomas Shepherd is best known to Unity audiences as the author of the popular column That's a Good Question, which has run for 15 consecutive years in Unity Magazine®.

A retired U.S. Army chaplain and decorated Vietnam veteran, Dr. Shepherd has been in ministry since 1976. His best-selling book Friends in High Places traces the family tree of New Thought Christianity. His newest book, Good Questions, is an upcoming Unity House® title.

He has also taught middle school for 10 years, run for public office in Georgia (and lost), driven a taxi in Idaho, flown helicopters in Southeast Asia and published two science fiction novels. Today "Dr. Tom" teaches historical and theological studies to candidates for the Unity ministry at Unity Institute®. Like his Unity Magazine column, "Let's Talk About It" will be edgy, controversial and full of lively, collegial exchanges.

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